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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 10, 2011 1:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment (Sorry for the leapfrog, but I was moved by the stunning display of non-comittal BS put on display just now by Mr. Mubarak...what a tool)

Do you realize what has happened today? A bunch of internet-driven thirty-somethings have managed to bring down a 30 year old regime in an almost bloodless coup. True, the secret police thug taking his place may not be much better, but free elections in the Fall will certainly put a final stamp on the old regime's demise. It may be overly optomistic to believe that true change will result from this in the end, but think of the cold chills running down the spines of dictators across the globe watching this unfold on CNN or MSNBC. Truly amazing. Something I feel priveleged to have witnessed. To see what can be done when you emotionally motivate people is so re-energizing. Although it does make me almost ashamed when I look around at the fat and lazy Americans happily gorging themselves on the table scraps and B.S. being forced fed them by both parties.
Anywho, I think it really important that we all take stock of what has gone down the past few weeks in Egypt. Those people can truly take a line from Ali today: "I shocked the world!"

EDIT: OK, Speech over and, drum roll please....what exactly did he say? The more things change...

OK, Rob, I'm thinkin' your probably right and things are about to get real ugly tonight over there...just what he wanted to happen.


This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2011-02-10 21:15:42

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

Well it's still just rumour and speculation in an uncertain situation and if what's been reported in today's Guardian newspaper is accurate 'bloodless' may not be the right description for what's been going on. The army might still have more to say about events.

http://tinyurl.com/4aebrbr

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

Well, while not 100%, either way, what's gone on, almost regardless of the final outcome, it is staggering what this group has done.

And yes there has been blood shed. I'm sure quite a bit more than what's been reported so far, but it could have been an all out blood bath.

Perhaps we should have sent in our Special Ops team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFylX5MUAOA&;feature=related

(yes, more post modifications are always a good thing)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

Your optimism is a good balance for my pessimism. Certainly the rumours that Mubarak will resign shortly are growing all the time. The question is, of course, what's going to fill the power vacuum his going will leave? The thing about the Egyptian protests is that while they have been entirely anti the current regime they have absolutely not been pro anything else on offer.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Feb 10, 2011 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

There really isn't much of anything "better" that has been offered. The protesters are demanding a new constitution and a complete restructuring of the systems in place. A revolution of that magnitude would really require a dissolution of the current government, the first step for which is the resignation of Mubarak.

Seems more likely that the Egyptian Military will take control before any significant "civil" changes can take place. They are the recipients of $2+ billion US aid a year and I would bet on the military doing whatever it can to ensure that this aid keeps flowing.

I wonder what happens when the protesting masses realize that the military isn't really on their side?

Or perhaps more interestingly, what manner of a change of government in Egypt satisfies both the interests of the protesters and protests US interests?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

Not pro-anything else? I hear it from good sources that they are all united in wanting the KFC in Tahir Square to re-open.

kfc_delivery.jpg

Power to the people. And to the manufacturers of Lipitor.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

What the hell is Lipitor? Was he in Transformers?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

You are not bombarded with pharmaceutical commercials in the Queen's fair realm?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 10, 2011 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

Good one.

Lipitor is the lastest over-priced cholesterol drug here that doesn't work much better than the generic lovastatin. Working in the pharmaceutical industry can oftentimes be rather depressing. Belly of the Beast kind of thing.

Still chuckling over the Transformer quip.

If I recall, generic lovastatin is available without a prescription in the UK. Sometimes you guys can make us look really dumb.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 10, 2011 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment? Maybe, but not quite yet...

Reminds me of the Viagra gag:

"Can you get it over the counter?"
"Only if you take two."

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 10, 2011 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment (Sorry for the leapfrog, but I was moved by the stunning display of non-comittal BS put on display just now by Mr. Mubarak...what a tool)

Hm - spoke a little too soon!!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 10, 2011 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

SDH, I do not share your optimism. Putin replaced Yeltsin in Russia, (Vlad is an ex-KGB officer) turning Russia back to it's authoritarian ways. Omar Suleiman (ex-intelligence officer) is cut from the same cloth as all recent 'Presidents' of Egypt since Nasser. All were high level officers in the only solidifying force in the country, the army. If, if he allows a political culture to form to replace the only current one, the Muslim Brotherhood (whose first goal is to attack Israel) then maybe. I hope so.
I wonder if going into Iraq is beginning to bear fruit as that country's elections and elected government are a (quite imperfect) beacon to millions of oppressed Arabs. All of these countries have experienced unrest, green shoots of freedom to the jackboot recently.
Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, and Yemen.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

"I wonder if going into Iraq is beginning to bear fruit"

What going into and tearing down Iraq did was to strengthen Iran's position as the dominate leader in the Gulf. The Saudi's are scared shitless as they witness the chaos across the border in Egypt because the Saudi's have no military and are dependant on the US 6th fleet to protect their mutual interest (oil development) in the region.

Without continued US Military presence and dominance in Iraq, there is the risk of tribal revolts, which at one time were endemic to the Kurdish and Shiite regions of Iraq. Today, the Kurds' dependence on U.S. support makes a Kurdish revolt of any kind unlikely. Iran continues to supply Sunni's and insurgents with weapons technology.

What remains as the obvious fruit of the Iraq Invasion; 4,400 US Troops killed, 32,000 US Troops injured, 110,000 Iraqi casualties and a cost to the US Government of $800 Billion Dollars.

Looks to my eyes that the fruit is rotten and toxic and was most definitely served up by that happy and lovable US Trio of Bush > Cheney > Rumsfeld.

No wonder why the majority of countries around the World hate the United States of America. Good work!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 10, 2011 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

"Looks to my eyes that the fruit is rotten and toxic and was most definitely served up by that happy and lovable US Trio of Bush > Cheney > Rumsfeld."

Agreed. I'd disagree with the $800 billion number - when you tally up the interest on that debt, the reparations and rebuilding, taking care of those 32,000 wounded with medical and benefits, not to mention the repercussions in the region - that number will be trillions in legacy to future generations.

Whistle through your teeth and spit...

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Poster: ducats Date: Feb 10, 2011 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

even if its a trillion - over 25 yrs. we spend 2 trill+ every 12 months. seems like a no brainer to me.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 10, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

Of course it is very possible that what replaces what was is just more of the same, but at least the opportunity for change, something undreamable only a few weeks ago, is present. Not sure if this uprising can replicate iteself in other countries, but if nothing else it has shown that the chance to choose one's destiny is possible anwhere. Perhaps we can even learn how to change our own.



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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

Re: "But, if nothing else, [Citizens Protesting and Speaking Out] has shown that the chance to choose one's destiny is possible anywhere. Perhaps we can even learn how to change our own."

Troop withdrawal resolution fails in Fort Collins, Colorado

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 10, 2011 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

It is pretty amazing

What's up the Saudis sleeve with the "slow down the transition" message to the WH? They are probably not too happy with the circumstances

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